What do you think?
Comments(51) Update: I have removed the changes that were made on November 1st. I don’t like going back on these changes, but obviously the timing was wrong. I will continue to add new features, and we’ll revisit this later. Please keep writing in with your opinions.
The feedback to the latest changes is overwhelmingly negative right now. That’s interesting, because really what I did was take away the extra 50% in bonus points that was being given away in every tournament. It’s obvious that Poker Underworld hasn’t really been about competitive Poker lately, it’s been about building your balance as high as possible, and as fast as possible.
I don’t think that simply changing back to how it was is the right answer here. If things are left the way they were, balances will climb higher and you will continue to ask for higher blinds so you can compete for more points. Eventually the balances will get so high that it won’t be possible to run the games anymore without technical problems. I’m pretty sure eventually the balances will get so high you’ll get bored, and any new players who come to the site will be so overwhelmed starting at 2000 that they will leave. I would be willing to put the old rules back, but then I’d have to reset the balances every month (banking them into a lifetime total).
My solution is to bring back real Poker rules, and legitimate prizes in SnG tournaments. We’ll be holding nightly qualifying tournaments for the Championship tournament, and those qualifying tournaments will have seeded jackpots, just like a real Poker tournament would. I will also be adding trophies and challenge prizes to your profiles to show what you’ve won. Is my solution too idealistic?
Let’s have a discussion about this. Keep posting your thoughts. How can we keep things the way you like them, and not have the problems I’m talking about?
I dont understand what the difference is if you are still running lifetime totals, those amounts are still there and using up space on the site. So why havetwo separate ones. Even those who like to play real poker can still do that but with the attention the new tourneys have been getting, why make them so cumbersome and even boring that no one wants to play. Soon, there won’t even be a regular table to play because there is getting to be no one left on the site. Your changes have been great and got an overwhelming reaction the way they were. They are so drasticnow that people are getting turned off to the entire site. There wont even be a table to play soon. If it is not changed back (and soon) people wont even bother to check any more and all your good and exciting changes will be for nothing. Your efforts also deserve the recognition it is entitled to but these changes are too adverse. I think the totals and ranks should stay as they were and, if you want monthly totals – use that for the mini profiles that come up on the boards and leave the leader boards with the lifetome totals. You are going to lose a lot of loyal and previously satisfied players – if you havent already. PLEASE CHANGE THINGS BACK ASAP – for all our our sakes.
WHAT THE FU$K WHY CHANGE IT THEN CHANGE IT BACK BECAUSE A COUPLE OF HU55 PROFILES THINKS ITS POO?????????????? THIS SITE SHOULD BE ABOUT SKILL NOT MINDLESS BINGO PLAYING ON THE ALL IN TABLES TO RISE THE RANKS. IF ANY OF U THINK UR GOOD PLAYERS THEN SURELY U WOULD BE HAPPY TO FIGHT FOR FIRST PLACE ON THE TOURNEYS AND RECIEVE A GOOD PAYOUT. RYAN RESET EVERY FUCKERS POINTS AND START AGAIN I SAY PEOPLE WHO APRECIATE GOOD POKER AND NICE PEOPLE WONT GO NOWHERE TRUST ME M8. DELETE THE OTHER ALL IN TABLE AND ADD A 5MIL BUY IN NO LIMIT TABLE THE 500K NO LIMIT TABLES SUFFER BECAUSE OF THE ALL IN BINGO PLAYERS RISING THE RANKS LOOK AT SHADE FOR INSTANCE 1.3 BILLION IN 30 DAYS IS A SHOCKING CASE OF CHEATING AND ALL IN NONSENSE SORT IT OUT PLZZZZZZZZ.
First of all it is not Just HU55. ALOT of people are not liking and have already left or threatened to leave the site. Dont make everything fall on HU55 just cause there are differences between you. I am not a skilled player by any means but, if the site is about skill as you say – where are you on the new monthly leader board? Even I am thereand I dont have have the skill or experience as all you guys. There isnt a good payout any more on the tourneys. Ryan has the site correct in that he has tables to accommodate everyone’s likes and needs. If regular play is what you like that you have those tables available and you are free to choose. Those of us who like tournys, also have that option available to us and we have that choice to play and you have the choice not to. If you think the all in tables or to raise ranks than why do you play if you dont like “bingo” – of course, to raise your points too. The site should not be geared towardsone way of play – the fun and enjoyment of it is that it accommodates everyone. So many people say whats the big deal – only fake chips. So then who cares if someone gets a trillion dollars. You will still have the running monthly board to see who is a good player on their own merit. Fact is, with the site back to the way it was – it is the best of both worlds. That is what is going to keep people here. With so many dissatisfed – there wont even be a no limit game to play for lack of players and the whole site wil go down (which would be a shame). We should all just find a way to deal with it as it was and play the games you want and stop worrying about everyone else’s play preferences.
P.S. Ryan – I dont think the time will ever be right for the changes you make in the points, rankings or prizes. People are used to the way it has been and sometimes change is not always for the best. I think if you ever change it back again – the same reactions will surface and put the site in jeopardy and more people who enjoy it now, will leave yet again. I personally dont think it should be given any more consideration.
P.S. Taxi – at least I can get my points accross without vulgar language
IN RESPONSE TO UR PERSONAL DIG AT MYSELF BROOKLYN I WILL ADD THIS. FIRSTLY HOW OFTEN DO U SEE ME ON ALL IN TABLES??? ONLY FOR A CHAT MAYBE . TELL ME THIS HOW MANY OF UR 3 BILLION CHIPS UVE “WON” WAS MADE ON ALL IN TABLES I WILL TELL U THE WHOLE FUKEN LOT THATS HOW MANY. SO B4 U SLAG OTHERS OFF WHO LIKE REAL POKER LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME B4 U SHOUT UR MOUTH OFF PERHAPS UR BOYFRIEND BROOKY CAN PUT U STR8 OOPS SORRY HE MADE HIS BILLIONS THERE TOO DIDNT HE??? AND YES HU55 IS THE ONLY ONE WHO MOANED ABOUT THE NEW RULES ON BINGO TABLES OTHER THAN URSELF IF U READ THE BLOG FINALLY ID LOVE TO PLAY A TOURNEY BUT WHENEVER I GO THERE U AND UR CRONIES ARE PLAYING ALL IN ON THEM??? FOUR ALL IN TABLES WITH 50% BONUS U CANT LOSE CAN YOU MRS POKER PLAYER.
We can make this personal if you want Taxi – Ive never had a problem with you personally. But you want things changed for your reasons and others like myself want things changed for our reasons. I guess everyone is being self-serving here. I admit my winnings are from tourneys but ive also admitted i dont have the skill level as you and alot of others to play no limit. I have not lied about that. So you are not saying anything that I already haven’t said myself. But, the 12,000 I do have since the changes have been from the no limit table because tournys werent worth it. Dont see you yet on the monthly leader board. Im not slagging you for liking real poker so why are you slagging on those of us who dont. Does everything have to work the way YOU want it? Trust me, when I do feel confident with my level of playing straight poker – I will be on the no limit tables. And, it IS NOT just HU55 – maybe on blog but many have said on the boards, Nikki, Miniminx, Karmatime, Vicky alot that you DONT see. Of course we’re going all in on the all in tourneys thats what they are meant for but yes you can lose because without a third prize and lesser 1st and second prizes – you lose very quickly. So many you should get a true hadle on how things are working before you mouth off again in the demeaning, arrogant and nasty way that you seem to only be able to communicate in.
well well well, just get this stright your always going to have cheats no mater what we have they have it on all the other poker sites and spend a fortune on trying to stop it from what i have seen said by ryan this site dose not make this kind of money for it to regulated,so we have to look at like this we play far or you make it so far is the only way you can play,I hve not got a clue how this could be done,BUT if you could make this work could make a difference take away the all in tables,when i say all i mean the 10.000,100.000 and 500000 tournament tables, and replace them with limted betting like the other table,s down the other end of the site,i mean if you cheat on them .ie folding or double or even tripple id’ing your be there a longer time so maybe this will stop it to a degree,your never going to get rid of it but may make others play other tables and stop the points from going up so quick,the problem is this it is to easy to win chips on theser tables without actually playing poker of any sort,if you want to go all you no limit table to do it on,but if others dont want to then thats fine.i have no ider what i have said but i tried.
FOR FEAR OF USING THIS BLOG AS A BATTLEFIELD U MADE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY VIEWS WOT DO U EXPECT ME TO SAY?FIRSTLY MONTHLY LEADERBOARD HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR TWO DAYS AND I HAVENT PLAYED A HAND TILL TODAY DOES THAT ANSWER UR QUESTION?? AND I NOTICED THE TOP PLAYERS ON IT HAVE BEEN RAKING THE ALL IN TABLES TO GET ON IT LIKE UR FELLA WHOS SECOND PLACE I DONT CARE BOUT RANKINGS IM HERE TO PLAY PROPER POKER NOT BINGO I COULDNT CARE IF I WASNT IN TOP 1000 U STICK TO UR BINGO AND RANKINGS FASCINATION I WILL STICK TO POKER THE POINT OF THIS SITE IS TO MAKE PLAYERS BETTER AND LEARN POKER SO IF UR NOT AS SKILLED AS U WOULD LIKE TO BE SURELY THE CHANGES WOULD OF HELPED U AND ENCOURAGED U TO BECOME A BETTER PLAYER INSTEAD OF GOING ALL IN KNOWING UR BOUND TO MAKE CHIPS IN THE LONG RUN. IN REGARD TO UR COMMENTS ABOUT ME BEING RUDE AND ABUSIVE U NEED TO TAKE A LOOK CLOSER TO HOME ME THINKS YES IM RUDE AND BRASH BUT I RESPECT PEOPLE WHO RESPECT ME TRY SHOWING SOME CLASS INSTEAD OF MAKING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON MY VIEW BECAUSE U DONT AGREE WITH PROPER POKER.
Thanks for all of your suggestions. Keep them coming.
I rolled back the changes so that I can continue to focus on adding new things to the site. I still believe my change was the right one to make, but if everyone is going to leave over it, there’s no point.
Many players are addicted to the “quick fix” of fast games for high credits. It’s the easiest way to win and having to play for real takes too long. That’s fair enough, but it doesn’t make for a very good Poker site. Perhaps in the future I’ll change those tables so they don’t use credits, and instead count how many times you win – that way there can be a leaderboard for tournaments. I’d much rather see the credits competed for in real Poker games.
I will not be making any more changes until the new tournaments are ready, and the new poker table graphics are ready. I think that once we have tournaments (free tournaments, not cash) it will give everyone something better to compete for.
You should all know that it is my intention to bring back real Poker here. I’d like to find a way to keep both styles of play, but this site will never grow if I don’t make some changes. I will do my best to try to keep everyone happy, but we all know that isn’t possible. If we lose some along the way, at least the new people who come in will find a good, competitive Poker game to play.
Ryan dude
The new leaderboard isn’t reflective of a players skill level at all. It’s impossible to keep up with someone who only plays at allin tournys so why waste valuable memory space with it.
Instead, get crackin on the $$$ tournees, limit a single IP addy to each table so we can be assured we’re playing fairly and include a way for UK players to join in.
NICE ONE RYAN I KNOW U WANT POKER PLAYED HERE NOT BINGO MIND YOU YOUD MAKE A GOOD CALLER LMAO IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THIS IS A POKER SITE LETS PLAY POKER ON IT. SCRAP THE ALL IN TABLES TOURNEYS ONLY. MAKE MORE NO LIMIT TABLES FOR HIGHER STAKES AND IF THE BINGO PLAYERS WANT A TOP 100 GIVE IT TO THEM ENTITLED BINGO BABIES TOP 100. U KNOW IT MAKES SENSE THERES GONNA BE CASUALTIES BUT HEY MECCA BINGO SITE IS FREELY AVAILIABLE M8!!!!
Ryan, I think the old way makes for a very good poker site because it gives people a choice. Not everyone is the same skill level so it is unfair to limit everyone to one form of play. Those who want to play real poker can always do so, those who want the enjoyment and comfort of the, as you say “quick fix” have that choice. Without choices it is just a dictatorship. Fact is alot of good players and nice people (new and old timers) play on the tourneys – most of whom also have the skill to play on 500K. We enjoy it the risk and suspense of it as well as the payouts. Those people also have threatened to leave because those games are half their fun. You dont have to bring real poker back because it never left. It has been and still is there. I would think you would want a diverse group of visitors on your site. The point totals that people think are ridiculous in essence wont affect newcomers to the site. When I joined about 6 months ago I started with the same 2000 as everyone else, when people already had billions. I’ve made it up to 3 bil so any newcomers from this point on still can reach the same goal. It may even make it more competitive because their eyes will be on the bigger prize – a bigger challenge. The leaderboard isnt reflective of a person’s skill – Raiz is right. It is merely points that establish the rank. Every player on this site has the choice of how they want to obtain those points. If they want to advance quicker, they can participate in some tourneys. If they choose to get their points by real play – that is their choce as well. As for $ tourneys – if people find it too risky now and prizes ended up being less and 3rd prizes were taken away – i certainly wouldn’t invest actual money with those odds. I know you are getting hit from both ends of this debate and it must be pulling you in half. If change is causing this much conflict and controversy, maybe things are better left the way they were. You have put too much effort into these changes to have people so turned off that they leave and have empty tables. Empty tables are boring tables and, if someone like me were to have no choice but to get on 500K,playing as cautious as I do, I would be folding more than betting, and that certainly would make for a boring game for the skilled players who want competetive play. You need to leave a table open for novices like myself. Well, you don’t need to cuz its your site but it would be nice to know the little people are considered too and not have the bigshots run the show.
ITS ALL ABOUT THE POINTS MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A NO LIMIT AND TOURNEYS TOP 100 AND ANOTHER FOR THE BINGO BANDITS THATS ONLY WAY TO SORT OUT ARGUMENT ONCE AND FOR ALL. EITHER THAT OR KEEP ALL IN TABLE WITH THREE PRIZES BUT CUT BUY IN TOO 100K PER PERSON THAT WAY THEY STILL GET THE BUZZ OF THE BINGO ASPECT AND IT WILL SLOW DOWN THE POINT RISING. IF ITS NOT ABOUT THE RANKING AND POINTS SURELY NO ONE CAN MOAN ABOUT IT. LEAVE THE 500K SIT AND GO TABLES BE AS IT WILL PROMOTE PROPER PLAY ON THOSE EVERYONES A WINNER AND MAKE A 1 MILLION BUY IN NO LIMIT TABLE FOR OTHERS THERES UR ANSWER.
I happen to like both Brooklyn and Taxi. I think
that Brooklyn does herself a disservice in downplaying her game. She plays better than at least 50% of the players here. She has a good sense of her hand’s value vs the board. She’s also
very respectful of the other players, she never goes to the reg. tables and goes allin with weak hands. Players like her aren’t a part of the problem at all. That said, she’s as far off track as she can be in her assessments I think. The problem is and always has been that no talent players like Mrpokerisland can interrupt normal play on the regular tables by making poor pre-flop bets and just recoup their losses on the allin table. Brooky is a prime example of inconsiderate players with marginal talent being able to dominate three tables at once with poor play. It’s not enough that the site now has three legitimate allin table, he has to go allin on the regular tables as well. To me this is the defining fact Ryan should consider. If a weak player like Brooky, who has won almost all of his bankroll on the allin tables can be contending for the top ranking, PokerUnderworld has a serious credibility problem anyway. The site was made to promote poker and players ability to learn on the site, not to have inconsiderate, no talent players dominate the site. The ranking system now and before is a total joke.
Gene TY for your kind words. But Brooky hasnot gotten ALL of his money from tourneys. He does play 500 K and doesn’t always go all in. but there is no prohibition in that as that is regular poker and at least you can control your own money. All in tourneys are made for just that, so folding there does upset the game. You knowI will play reg when I am forced to. Sometimes I hold my own and sometimes i don’t. I know you can’t win them all. I do appreciate you as a friend Gene. Thanks much XO
I appreciate you as a friend too but I never said “all” of his bankroll. I said most of it. I really wouldn’t care at all if he were at least
considerate enough to leave it at the allin table. He’s not. I don’t care about the rankings at all. I understand you’re sticking up for Brooky but this is true. If he played regular tables exclusively he’d be broke. That’s a different issue though. Taxi had some very good points before. Another one would be to have 1m tables ” by invitation only “. That way better players could get on with it without inconsiderate, weak players getting in the way.
That would set up one more tier of players which would definitely attract the kind of players that Ryan showld seek. The site has enough bingo players already.
THIS IS HOW I WOULD RUN A POKER SITE RYANIF YOU HAVE ANY TIME ON YOUR HANDS RYAN GO LOOK AT ZAGNER POKER ON FACEBOOK THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS, THERE ARE MANY PLAYERS THERE AND THATS LIKE REAL POKER IN SOME WAY, JUST GO HAVE A LOOK GET SOME IDEAS MATE, AND IF YOU COULD MAKE FACEBOOK POKER IN THE SAME WAY WITH OUT COPY RIGHTS, THIS POKER SITE WOULD BE THE BEST, IVE BEEN PLAYING POKER SINCE I WAS 12 SO I SHOULD KN HOW POKER IS PLAYED, NICE JOB DONE WITH THE CHANGE OVER THANKS.NO MORE 50% OR 30%. TRUST ME RYAN GO LOOK, THINK ABOUT IT, IT WILL TAKE ABIT OF TIME TO GET THE POKER SITE SORTED BUT IN THE END YOU WILL DO IT.. .H.
NO OFFENCE HU55 BUT U COULDNT RUN A BATH LMAO
lmao….Hu55 take a look around you in your house……………can you see anyone……….NO….just like this site would be if your in charge’ no one here….
Gene, TY again. You truly are a good soul. That said, just for the record Vince has made alot of money from 500K tables – i’ve seen him bank up to 10-12 mil. In fact,people tell him to stop banking because he takes all their money off the board. Actually, if I had a good pocket, I too might go all in before a flop. That is just a natural right in playing poker. Anyone can go all in if they have a good hand so I dont know why so many people complain about anyone going all in on 500K but I admit I do not play there often. As for Taxi, his idea above is not a bad compromise. If lowering the buy-in on tourneys would lower the prizes (as long as there was still a 1st 2nd & 3rd with at least 1st & 2nd being a win unlike some 3rd prizes which dont even recoup the buy-in) I would not mind that. Sure, it is fun watching points and rank go up. It is not my goal but it is exciting and gives one motivation to want to keep playing. I play tourneys not so much for massive points but just for some – I am happy with 3rd. It is the little risk factor that draws me to the tourneys. I am not a risk-taker and playing 500K, for me, is more risky because I am not a seasoned player, not half as good as alot here (despite Gene’s nice words). Having an “invitation only” table doesn’t seem so practical, however, as there are many people who play the tourneys that may not get invited to play. How would one get invited? I think you need to leave people choices for them to freely make for themselves. Thank you.
Hi Ryan,
I like your idea on the nightly tournament very much. But i think it should be on a weekly basis so that the trophies will be deem more valuable and players will take the tournament more seriously. I think you can also hold a annual tournament to crown a champion for each year. My personal view is that only through competing will the skill of players improve and thus increase the standard of play in Poker Underworld.
One last point, I would like to suggest that the tournament pay-out be as follows:
Winner gets 50% of total buy-in amount.
Second place gets 20%
Third place get 15%
5% goes to the rake (total rake collected will go to the weekly tournament)
This will not only control the chip growth but also increase the level of competition. Make the players win chips off other players rather than getting them from “bingo” tournament play.
I do like to see a bigger buy-in table (5 or 10mil will be nice)
I’m all for strict real poker rules, you can still have ALL-IN tables and I could care less about points, Lets just play Poker and those interested in mindless point gathering can go to All-In Tables.
Hebe
reducing the prizes so that only first place actually wins a prize is what turned people off the first time. Because all in is a game of risk and not of skill, if, as with the change, not even second prize results in a win, the risk and odds of a win are greatly diminished, which is unfair to people like myself who do not yet have the skill to compete on no limit. That is exactly why I play – to earn points. Thats like saying if you’re not a skilled poker player – there is no place for you on P.U. Are we all not entitled to have a game available that we are comfortable playing? Do the less skilled have to be penalized because of their novice status? Sounds like skill discrimination. LOL
Ryan, enough on this issue. I am Italian and talk ALOTT. But there has been enough bickering back and forth about this. If I haven’t made my point clear at this stage, then I never will. I just hope you take everyone’s opinion and what everyone has had to say into consideration, and make your decision fairly and with an open mind to all sides. Thank you.
Man, i havent got a bloody clue if the last message i sent has come thru or not…so ill say it again…well,i actually wanted another shot at asking for non-tourney tables with bigger buy-ins…as like u said, seriously large bank cud begin to create some boredom, and larger tables cud also give those behind a chance to actually catch up…(ok, its a long shot but its still a shot…right???).
At least, i believe it wud bring back a sense of competiton in a better way, rather than just wins at a tourney by default…
So i ask…from the bottom of my heart(and we can only guess how deep that goes!!) Please, oh pretty please, make bigger buy-ins!!!
(AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR DONT FORGET TO HELP ME OUT HERE!!! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!
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THE BLOG SEEMS TO BE HAVING AN AFFECT NOW THE BICKERNG HAS CEASED.I THINK MOST AGREE THAT EVERYONE LIKES DIFF THINGS ON THIS SITE SO TAKE NOTICE RYAN M8 IT IS SIMPLE M8. HAVE ONE ALL IN TABLE AT 100K PRIZES AS FOLLOWS 1ST PRIZE 800K WHEN FULL TABLE 400K SECOND AND 200K THIRD THAT SHOUL KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY. B4 SITE WAS MOVED TO BETTER SERVER NO ONE WON MUCH AT ALL BECAUSE IT TOOK AN AGE TO LOAD AND PEOPLE LOST CONNECTION SO NOW ITS FASTER PEOPLE WONT MOAN ABOUT LOWER PAYOUTS. TWO 500K SNG TABLES AS B4 WOULD BE GOOD BUT PEOPLE WILL ONLY MOVE THERE TO PLAY ALL IN SO ANY IDEAS ON HOW TO IRRADICATE THIS WOULD BE HANDY. I DONT KNOW IF ITS POSSIBLE TO SPLIT RANKINGS INTO TWO AND SEPERATE WINNINGS ONE FOR TOURNEYS AND ONE FOR NO LIMIT POKER ???? IF IT CAN BE DONE IT WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE. THIRDLY MANY PLAYERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ADDITIONAL NO LIMIT TABLE WITH HIGHER STAKES WHICH IS A FANTASTIC IDEA BECAUSE HAVING MORE CHIPS ON TABLE WILL PROMOTE FAR BETTER PLAY AND THOSE WHO COME TO STEAL WITH ALL IN NONSENSE WITH RUBBISH HANDS WILL NOT BE SO INTERESTED IF STAKES ARE HIGHER PUTTING THERE CHIPS AT RISK MORE. I THINK A 2 MILLION BUY IN AMOUNT WOULD DO THE TRICK. I HOPE MY IDEAS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN U COME TO MAKE MORE CHANGES RYAN TC AND GL.
just go to facebook poker ryan have a look at that get some bloody ideas, thats a start, also taxis right about what he says above, that a good idea.. .H.
sorry to change the subject but has anybody seen my sheep
Terry,
I’m not going to make this a forum about whether or not Brooky is a good player. He’s not. He’s a bettor, not a player. For every time you’ve seen him bank chips, I’ve seen him reload 20-30 times in an hour tenfold. You don’t recoup that by banking a few mil a few times a day, sorry. By your own admission you’re not experienced enough to advance to real poker but you know enough to judge real players? Think about it. That brings me to this point. You’ve been playing for hours every day for over six months. You’ve accumulated over 3.600,000,000 chips. Out of thousands of players you’ve reached the rank of 30th. Exactly how much more time do you think you’ll need to leave the kiddie table? When you get to 40 or 50 billion? The fact is you could do it now but you prefer not to. For some reason known only to you you’d rather sit and click on all in all day. I have a feeling it’s about socializing and self esteem though. No skill, no plan, no talent. The site has thousands of those now. Bankrolls and rankings have exactly no credibilty now. Why would good players, the kind I would hope Ryan wants to attract and build on join this site?
When Ryan started this site it was to promote real poker play. The allin table was merely a chance for people to build their bankroll while learning to play. The people that play there have turned it into an evil unproductive part of P.U. A place that breeds disrespect for the other players by allowing weak, bad players to infringe on the regular tables. Players like Brooky, Vetteup, Kingson and Mrpokerisland get to relentlessly disrupt the play on the regular tables simply because they can. It’s out of inconsideration and mean spiritedness, no other reason. As to your assertion that allin pre-flop
bets are good or “natural”? Let me ask you to do this. There are loads of books out there by great players. Read some. Share with us any quote that states an allin pre flop bet is either a good or smart bet. You won’t find any but you can try. Pocket aces get beat over 50% of the time so how exactly is ” a good pp ” a smart bet?
As far as the ” by invitation only ” tables go, there would be more than one and the first one on the table gets to control who plays with him. If another person wnats to start his or her own table cool. I know I enjoy playing with certain players more than others. It’s down on other sites so it can be done here too. You were right about one thing though, Bad players and inconsiderate players like Brooky, Vetteup and Ark probably wouldn’t get too many invitations until they improved their game and their level of consideration. That’s the way it should be.
wouldn’t get invited. I doubt they would though for obvious reasons.
One more point for now. You talk about the “players” that left or talked about leaving the site when the payouts were reduced. An equal amount have left because they weren’t allowed to play poker on the reg tables or the regular tournament table. Good solid players like Dunny and Redaces just to name a few. Why should Ryan be more concerned with people that don’t even want to learn how to play the game and less concerned with those that do? As of this morning 1,139,094 people with an obvious interest in poker have visited this site. P.U. has approx. 3-4000 members. Somehow over 1,100,000 people decided P.U. wasn’t the place to play poker. That’s a shame AND should send a message to Ryan. Focus on players, not posers.
Gene
Well said Gann although I won’t get into who does what, If Ryan looks in on his own site he knows who’s who. My thought again, let this site be one where people play or learn to play real poker, with REAL POKER RULES, But also give the ALL-IN lovers their tables aswell, we already have ways of discouraging them from playing on ours. I have begun to call PU home, because those who seldom agree generally choose to get along and differences are generally resolved, but now always, thats where you come in and a few refinements should do the trick.
At noon today, 11/4/09 ,EST in the USA, there were nine people playing poker on Pokerunderworld. Five were on the regular tables and four ( some playing multiple tables ) on the allin tables. Out of 132
seats, and 3-4,000 members there were nine players. That says a lot about this site. It mostly says that people don’t like playing here and that’s a shame. Ryan has put a lot of effort and care into it. It has the ptential to be the best free site on the net. Good players should gather here. Instead, bad players push them away.
As i said earlier but was not posted, I will not get into who is doing what right or wrong, but if you want for this site to be the one people come to to play poker, then make it a poker site with strict poker rules. You can still have All-In tables but let them be separate from the regulation tables. And as others have asked let there be higher limit and no limit tables where those with large chip counts can play.
I agree with gannan.This a good poker site.Its to bad the way some players treat it.Have an idea for you ryan.How about a limit 500 thou table.Ive noticed players wanting to go in all the time instead of playing cards. Just an idea.Let us know what you think.
uuummmm ,allin,no,ummm,yes allin,no wait a minute,ok,yep,allin,damn lost me lighter again,come on people lets just play,i totally agree there needs to be tables for those want to play allin,an deffinatelly tables for the people that want to play PROPER poker,i like the idea of invitation only tables,,Or ryan once a yr you coulld book a whole hotell,an we coulld all meet there an kick the shit out of each other(I personaly wanna meet that WOLF guy eye to eye)then have beer an a game,we all know underworlds the best site,keep up the good work ryan….
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT BROOKY FOLDING ON ALL IN TABLES. ON 07/11/09 BROOKY RANK 2 PLAYER WAS FOLDING FOR HOURS, OVER 5 HRS OF FOLDING ALL IN TABLE AND NO FOLD TABLE AND HIS MRS CALLED BROOKLYN WAS VLOCKING CHAT FOR SAME TIME SO NO 1 COULD SAY A WORD TO BROOKY ABOUT FOLDING. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT BROOKY, CANT YOU BAN PLAYERS FROM THE SITE OR DEDUCT ALL OF HIS POINTS AS SOMETHING AS TO BE DONE ABOUT BROOKY RANK 2 PLAYER, HIS TRYING TO CHEAT HIS WAY TO NUMBER1 TO MY SPOT. THANKYOU ELVIN007
IM GETTING **** OFF NOW WITH THE FOLDING, BROOKYS PISSING A LOT OF PLAYERS RIGHT OF AND HIS SO CALLED MRS BROKKLYNN IS BLOCKING THE CHAT ALL THE TIME, BROOKY NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT FOR ALL HIS FOLDING AND CHEATING TO GET TO NUMBER 1 SPOT, IF BROOKY KEEPS ON FOLDING I WILL BE GIVING ALL MY BANK ROLL AWAY TO ELVIN, SORT THIS OUT PLEASE RYAN ASAP MATE.. SEE YOU SOON MATE.. .H.
Ryan,yesterday it was crazy at the allin tables,Brooky folded,folded and folded,most of the time the chat was blocked by Brooklynn,it was really no fun to play there,so we searched another tables, minutes later he showed up there,and the same problems were also on that table.Can you sort this out plz.
Regards Keessie
I’ve already said I can’t get involved in deciding who is right and who is wrong. I can’t ban somebody simply based on complaints, and I don’t have time to go through every chat log and game history to see what happened.
Also, “all in” with no folding isn’t a normal style of Poker. I did what I could to make this for you, and block folding, but I can’t prevent it completely. I’ve requested some changes to the software but I don’t know that I will get them.
It seems a bit crazy to me that one person can cause so much trouble. If he folds, it just means you can’t get his credits. Don’t let him get yours. It’s Poker.
If somebody is flooding chat, I may be able to do something to stop that. I’ll look into it.
OK I WILL BE GOING BACK TO FACEBOOK POKER RYAN, LET THE CHEAT BROOKY DO WHAT HES WANTS TAKE IT YOU DONT GIVE A MONKEYS ABOUT THIS SITE ANY MORE LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE GIVEN UP WITH IT, LIKE I SAID I WILL GIVE ELVIN MY PASSWORD SO HE CAN HAVE ALL MY BANK ROLL, AS TO OTHER PLAYERS WHO PLAY HERE WILL ALSO BE GOING TO FACEBOOK POKER, WE DONT WANT TO PLAY HERE WITH FOLDERS AND CHEATERS, IVE WASHED MY HANDS WITH THIS SITE AND I THINK ITS TIME FOR ME TO DEPART FROM YOUR SITE. LET THE CHEATS WIN AND FOLD, BUT I WILL SAY THIS TO YOU RYAN, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THAT MANY PLAYERS ON HERE UNLESS YOU DO GET RID OF THE CHEATS, OH AND BY THE WAY RYAN I KN YOU CAN RESET BROOKYS BANK ROLL, SO WHY DONT YOU JUST DO THAT TO TEACH HIM A LESSON, MAYBE HE WILL LEARN HOW TO PLAY REAL POKER, MANY THANKS FOR THE TIME HERE.. good bye friends
elvin007 shows [Td,8h] Royal Flush
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lmao pmsl rofl hahahahahahahahah tooo funny! SINCE THE NEW SERVERS HAVE COME INTO OPERATION THIS SITE HAS BECOME A COMPLETE JOKE PURE AND SIMPLE. ADDING A NO FOLD TABLE HAS MADE IT TEN TIMES WORSE ALSO. PEOPLE SEEM TO FLOCK TO THESE TABLES AND MAKE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS IN AN HOUR HOW CAN THIS BE CLASSED AS A POKER SITE NOW ITS A SHAMBLES. LOOK AT NOVEMBER TOP 100 RYAN OMG BROOKY AND BROOKLYN TAKE TURNS TO PLAY BOTH PROFILES AT SAME TIME ONE SLEEPS ONE PLAYS AND VICE VERSA U NEED TO DO SOMETHING QUICK OR YOUR SITES GOING TO LOSE ANY GENUINE PLAYERS IT HAS LEFT MY FRIEND. THE FUNNY THING IS BROOKLYN ACTUALLY BELIEVES SHES PLAYING FOR REAL CHIPS AND SEEMS TO THINK SHES ACTUALLY A GOOD PLAYER ROFL. HOW CAN SOMEONE WHOS ONLY PLAYED ON ALL IN TABLES ONLY FOR HER CHIPS EVEN BE IN THE TOP 1000 ON THIS SITE LET ALONE TOP 100 ITS A FARCE PURE AND SIMPLE. I TAKE IT YOU DIDNT TAKE ANY NOTICE OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG AS NOTHING HAS BEEN ALTERED TO REMEDY ALL THE OBVIOUS GLICHES THE NEW SERVERS HAVE BROUGHT. I WONT HARP ON ANYMORE AND WILL CONTINUE TO SIT ALMOST ALONE ON THE PROPER NO LIMIT TABLES AND WAIT FOR A WAIF AND STRAY TO COME AND GIVE ME A PROPER GAME OF BINGO BUT REST ASSURED RYAN MINE AND MANY OTHERS PATIENCE IS WEARING RAPIDLY THIN M8 MANY THANKS STEVE AKA BAD
hey ryan. how bout making folders at all in tables and no fold tables finish in last place instead of second?no pay for folders.just a thought’ hope you save the game.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I THINK THIS SITE HAS NOT ONLY PRODUCE MANY CHIPS HUNGRY PLAYERS BUT ALSO A NEW FORM OF POKER PLAY THAT IS NEW TO THE POKER WORLD (FIRST SITE TO PROVIDE BINGO POKER PLAY).
SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW SERVER, 90% OF GAMES PLAYED ARE ALL-IN ON THE TOURNAMENT TABLES WITH THE EXCEPTION FROM LOWER ENDS PLAYERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD THE 500K BUY-IN. NOWADAYS, I HAVE TO GO PLAY AT THE 500 OR 1000 TABLES SIMPLY BECAUSE I CAN’T FIND PLAYERS ON THE REGULAR 500K TABLE AND THE REASON FOR THAT CANNOT BE CLEARER.
FROM THE 41 COMMENTS POSTED, 95% ARE CHIPS RELATED WITH ONLY 5% STATING SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE FOR A BETTER POKER GAME. SAD BUT TRUE, THE PERCENTAGE ALSO REFLECTS THE ACTUAL POKER GAME PLAYED IN THE SITE (I REALLY WISH ITS THE 95%, BUT ITS NOT). SO ONE FINAL QUESTION TO RYAN, DO YOU THINK ANYONE NEW CHECKING OUT THE SITE WILL STAY ON TO PLAY WHEN THEY SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN POKER UNDERWORLD?
THATS WHAT I THINK…………..
thats a very good idea goldfinger, how ever i dont think ryan will do that for some reason! i hope he can work somthing out for all the good honest poker players who play here, yes true ryan must find away to stop the folding going on at the tables, me ild break down the tables and make a table where you can use all you bank roll and give the lower tables a winning chance just so the lower ranked players can get ranking also, i like to help lower ranked players to help them on the way as i started of with little bank roll, so we all hope ryan can some how sort this out, as many players will end up leaving this site, im willing to help and give ideas for the site, so if any other players can come up with other ideasplease send a blog to ryan. thanks good players .H.
ITS GONE AWFUL QUIET RYAN M8 ?? WHERE ARE THE NEW TOURNEY TABLES ?? HAVE U TAKEN NOTICE OF THE 5% OF REPLYS THAT MENTION POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO SITE PROBLEMS?? OR HAVE U GIVEN UP LIKE U DID TWO YEARS AGO WHEN U PROMISED TOURNEYS AND PRIZES?? SORRY M8 BUT YOUR TEAM REALLY NEED TO GET UR ACT TOGETHER REAL SOON. I WAITED 30 MINS FOR A PLAYER ON 500K NO LIMIT THE OTHER EVENNG???????? THATS A JOKE ON A POKER SITE. I LOOKED AT THE BINGO TABLES AND THERE WAS 10-12 PLAYERS PLAYING OR WAITING ON THE TWO 500K TOURNEYS(WHICH THEY PLAY ALL IN ALSO ON) 500K ALL IN AND 500K NO FOLD TABLES FFS. I LOOKED AT LOWER TABLES AND THERE WASNT A SOUL THERE EITHER DO US PLAYERS WHO LIKE POKER HAVE TO JOIN OTHER SITES NOW JUST TO GET A DECENT GAME IN MY OPINION UR NEW SERVER SUCKS ITS JUST ADDED A NEW DIMENTION TO THE ALL IN TABLES ITS CALLED “HIGH SPEED BINGO” PEOPLE ARE ADDICTED TO IT MAKING 200MIL A DAY PLUS ITS TAKES US POKER LOVING PLAYERS A MONTH TO EARN THAT IN REGULAR PLAY PLZ DO SOMETHING SOON OR AT LEAST UPDATE US ON PROGRESS OF ANY CHANGES DONT LEAVE US IN LIMBO TY BAD.
HI THERE UM GOSH POKER UNDERWORLD HAS CHANGED BIG TIME…LOL….NO ONE PLAYS ANYMORE…EVERY TIME I GO TO THE SITE….NO ONE IS THERE…AND FRANKLY THAT SUCKS!!!!…BIG TIME…IM SORRY BUT IM NOT A COMPLAINER…JUST LETTING U KNOW…WHEN I FIRST PLAYED AT UNDERWORLD …I THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME….FANTASTIC…I LOVE PLAYING WITH ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS…EVERYDAY WITHOUT FAIL…I ALWAYS MADE SURE I GOT MY FIX OF UNDERWORLD…NOW….WELL NOW….IM GETTING ALOT OF HOUSE WORK DONE LOL BECAUSE THERES NOONE TO PLAY ANYMORE AND I THINK THAT IS SAD…I HAVE SEEN THE SAME THING TAXI HAS SEEN ABOUT EVERYONE BEING AT ALL IN AND NO ONE BEING AT 500KREG….ITS SO HARD NOW TO GET A GOOD GAME ON THE SITE ….ITS ASHAME THAT IT HAS COME TO THIS…I REALLY HOPE THINGS DO GET SORTED OUT WITH ALL THAT IS HAPPENING….TAXI….IF YA WANT TO PLAY POKER SOMETIME…BUZZ ME ON MSN LOL…AND ILL PLAY WITH YA LOL…I KNOW HOW U FEEL WHEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE …ANYONE….TO COME PLAY ON 500K AND WELL….I DONT BOTHER SIGNING INTO THE SITE ANYMORE LOL…USUALLY…I SIGN IN…JUST TO SEE IF I CAN GET A GAME…BUT …WELL…THEN I SIGN OUT….THATS ALL I WANTED TO SAY TO THE POKERUNDERWORLD TEAM….GOOD LUCK AND TAKE CARE… REGARDS….AANI
AANI ID LOVE YOU TO COME PLAY WITH ME HUN LMAO XOXO. SEE RYAN AANI IS THE KIND OF PLAYERS UR LOSING M8 SHES AN ASSET TO YOUR SITE A FINE PLAYER AND A GENUINELY NICE LADY. THANKYOU FOR YOUR LATEST UPDATE M8 BUT UNFORTUNATLY I CANT REPLY TO IT BECAUSE IT WONT LET ME FOR SOME REASON. BUT IM GLAD TO SEE FROM YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU DONT WANT THIS SITE TO BECOME A BINGO PLAYERS PARADISE SO LETS HOPE THE SOONER YOU MAKE THE CHANGES THE BETTER TC AND GL BAD.
Hi all, There seems to be a lot of anomosity in the site with reference to the All-in tourny tables. A humble and simple suggestion. Why not show everyones bank balance in two amounts. Red for chips won at all-in tournie tables, and Black for chips won at regular tables. This way, the players who value playing against other skilled players can make an informed decision who to play with and feel that there poker skills are being challenged by those better skilled players. At least this way, it is on show, who has what, and how it was won.
Oh, by the way taxi, ur game sucks.rofl
PLAYERS ARE GETTING PISSED OFF WITH BROOKY RANK 2 PLAYER FOLDING ALL THE TIME ON ALL IN TABLE AND NO FOLD TABLE. IF YOU EVER WATCHED THE TABLES OR HAD STAFF WHO WORKED FOR POKER UNDERWORLD TO OBSERVE THE SITE YOU WOULD KNOW. IF YOU WANT ME TO GET INFO ON WHEN HE FOLDS ON THESE TABLES I WILL GET TOURNEY NUMBERS AND COPY ANS PASTE EACH TIME HE FOLDS ON HERE AS WELL.
DO SOMETHING AS PLAYERS ARE GETTING PISSED OFF NOW.
THANKYOU
BrookLYNN: brooky said play reg now
elvin007: why
brooky folds
Basil all in 993
elvin007: why fold brooky
rupey82 all in 985
* Flop is dealt [2s,Kd,4c]
* Turn is dealt [5c]
* River is dealt [5d]
Professor23 shows [3s,Ah] Five-High Straight
Professor23 wins 4000 from the Main pot
Basil: he seemsto have his own rules i think
rupey82: vnh
BrookLYNN: hes been playing all in all day
Basil finishes in 3rd place [712500]
—Hand #10051781 ends—
Professor23: You Punk Ass
BrookLYNN: folding on both boards
—Hand #10051789 begins—
brooky posts big blind 15
Professor23 posts small blind 7
elvin007: so why fold now
Professor23 calls 8 [to 15]
brooky all in 985
Professor23: Getting his ass whipped
elvin007: WHY IS HE FOLDONG NOW
Professor23 all in 3985
rupey82: it’s an ‘all in’ table??
* Flop is dealt [4d,5h,2c]
Basil: would be nice to tell us beforehand yeh?
* Turn is dealt [3h]
* River is dealt [2d]
Professor23 shows [9c,8d] Pair of Deuces
brooky shows [6h,3c] Six-High Straight
brooky wins 2000 from the Main pot
Professor23 wins 3000 from pot #2
rupey82: fold on a reg table then
—Hand #10051789 ends—
—Hand #10051793 begins—
Professor23 posts big blind 15
Professor23: He is a Nog
brooky posts small blind 7
brooky all in 1993
Professor23 all in 2985
* Flop is dealt [2d,4c,Ad]
* Turn is dealt [6s]
* River is dealt [2h]
Professor23 shows [Ac,8s] Aces and Deuces
brooky shows [As,9c] Aces and Deuces
brooky wins 4000 from the Main pot
Professor23 wins 1000 from pot #2
Professor23: Cheating Bastard
Basil: doesnt care. arrogance indeed. go to other tables.
—Hand #10051793 ends—
—Hand #10051795 begins—
brooky posts big blind 15
Professor23 posts small blind 7
Professor23 all in 993
rupey82: it’s how he’s got his chips through cheating default
brooky calls 985 [to 1000]
* Flop is dealt [8c,Js,6d]
elvin007: I AM COPY AND PASTE ALL THS IN E-MAIL
BrookLYNN:
there u go brooky folding again and his so called misses brooklynn blocks the chat, do something about this as players getting really pisses off now
Elvin I do respect you as a player but your motives are clear. To focus on Brooky’s rank #2 and refer to #1 as “your spot” and your admitting playing Mally’s profile and passing chips to yourself speaks volumes. Passing chips is more cheating than folding is and brooky only folds when people fold on him first or if they keep talking smack about him and me. If you (not u personally) dont fold and dont talk smack – he will and always had played fair. If you give him a reason then the game turns. Brooky is cathing up and there is fear that he may make it. You Cant focus on the points being so ridiculous because You have more so – if he gets reset, so should you and probably all top 5 players. You play tourneys just as much as he so if people call it bingo than you play bingo too. Like I’ve e-mailed Ryan directly, I also cut and paste the chat boxes atleast 10-15 times a night, which includes all the vulgarity and disgusting chat directed towards brooky and MYSELF and the raucnhy sexual content directed at me included me s—ing and f—ing other men, Evil talking about F—ing me in the A– all night and the use of my personal photo (which is invasion of my privacy, slander and sexual harassment). My chat printouts dont go to Ryan – they will go to the FCC and Public Service Commission and the whole site will be investigated and possibly shut down entirely. Also, if I have any personal recourse for all the slander and harassment against me I will pursue it whether its against the site or subpoening the information on the profiles that have said these bad things and file complaints against them. These blogs have become more about brooky than problems with the site. It would be best for everyone to leave it alone and just play. If you fear brooky reaching number 1 then let your game speak for itself and hold your title by winning on your own and not passing chips. Ryan has already said in his comment above (also which i have saved and printed) that he cant/wont ban anyone based on complaints. He also said before – play at your own risk. Stop trying to force Ryan to do things that he seems like he wants to stay out of. So, if anyone gets banned or reset or muted, and Ryan’s not the one doing it, someone is going over his head and doing what they want and making this site their own. Fact is, this is a free site, it is a public site and everyone has a right to be here and no one has a right to restrict or interfere with any other, especially if its just a case of dislike or jealousy. Lastly, as I said i print out the chat logs too and you clearly cut out what you didnt want Ryan to see just to make it all look like brooky’s fault. Papaya also admitted that brooky was folded on 5/6 times and still went all in before he got to his breaking point. He let many a fold slide in good faith. This is how the entire chat reads Ryan, with the balance of what me and papaya said:
BrookLYNN: brooky said play reg now
elvin007: why
brooky folds
Basil all in 993
elvin007: why fold brooky
rupey82 all in 985
* Flop is dealt [2s,Kd,4c]
* Turn is dealt [5c]
* River is dealt [5d]
Professor23 shows [3s,Ah] Five-High Straight
Professor23 wins 4000 from the Main pot
Basil: he seemsto have his own rules i think
rupey82: vnh
BrookLYNN: hes been playing all in all day
Basil finishes in 3rd place [712500]
—Hand #10051781 ends—
Professor23: You Punk Ass
BrookLYNN: folding on both boards
—Hand #10051789 begins—
brooky posts big blind 15
Professor23 posts small blind 7
elvin007: so why fold now
Professor23 calls 8 [to 15]
brooky all in 985
Professor23: Getting his ass whipped
elvin007: WHY IS HE FOLDONG NOW
Professor23 all in 3985
rupey82: it’s an ‘all in’ table??
* Flop is dealt [4d,5h,2c]
BrookLYNN: because he’s been folded on 5 times – and still kept going all in
BrookLYNN: he’s had enough now
Basil: would be nice to tell us beforehand yeh?
* Turn is dealt [3h]
* River is dealt [2d]
Papaya: 5 or 6 times fold on Brooky he did go all in
Professor23 shows [9c,8d] Pair of Deuces
brooky shows [6h,3c] Six-High Straight
brooky wins 2000 from the Main pot
Professor23 wins 3000 from pot #2
BrookLYNN: I did warn you – I said I was leaving and it wasn’t safe
Papaya: Brooky only fold when others fold
rupey82: fold on a reg table then
—Hand #10051789 ends—
—Hand #10051793 begins—
Professor23 posts big blind 15
Professor23: He is a Nog
brooky posts small blind 7
brooky all in 1993
Professor23 all in 2985
* Flop is dealt [2d,4c,Ad]
* Turn is dealt [6s]
* River is dealt [2h]
Professor23 shows [Ac,8s] Aces and Deuces
brooky shows [As,9c] Aces and Deuces
brooky wins 4000 from the Main pot
Professor23 wins 1000 from pot #2
Professor23: Cheating Bastard
Basil: doesnt care. arrogance indeed. go to other tables.
—Hand #10051793 ends—
—Hand #10051795 begins—
brooky posts big blind 15
Professor23 posts small blind 7
Professor23 all in 993
rupey82: it’s how he’s got his chips through cheating default
brooky calls 985 [to 1000]
* Flop is dealt [8c,Js,6d]
elvin007: I AM COPY AND PASTE ALL THS IN E-MAIL
BrookLYNN:
WISH I HAD 5 COMPUTERS NOW???????????????????some ppl dont give a shit so im going to a diffrent room, sometimes, lol